romney is. he's taking issues off the table and he's removing reasons for people to vote for him. i think that's why he's behind right now. >> let me play -- we said that congressman ryan is on the bus tour in iowa. want to play this moment from fox news where he appeared a little put off by the push from chris wallace, let me play it. >> you're the master of the budget, so briefly let's go through the plan. the obama camp says independent groups say if you cut those tax rates for everybody 20%, it costs $5 trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show if you tore tour statistics enough they'll confess to what you want them to confess to. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. it's -- >> no. i'm just talking about the cuts. we'll get to the deductions. the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away th